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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:58 pm 
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Look at it from Eos point.
Legits are legits and have to stick together. Sry mates, but it's a war against bots


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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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It's technically Midnight Union.



Avalon union. it was midnights When fly was inactive. now its back to Avalon union


Man, maybe I should log in once in a while.

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Wow some of you Avalon union mates really have a short temper and a way with words, but I bet thats not what your union is all about, so I suggest you stop embarrassing yourselves :/


whered joo get pics man? answer teh question plzzzz

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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Me and witch and all of Odyssey are not in avalon union, do some research, the old forum posts will explain it all.....lololololol Now those were the good old days! haha

Yes The Witch has landed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah where did you get those pics??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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1/2 the guys here.. shame you srsly, sure there are some clearly closet botting cunt features here, but as for the true legits, or even the closet botting legit supporters, WHAT THE ****?! you want to see Venus turn into evry other server?!? the server is something special, something unique, and 1/2 of you pussies are willing to let that go? go die pls, or go and actually join the Farking bots, its better then what your doing now. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :x :x

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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Future had everything coordinated on ventrilo, even turks went on vent. Thats where I got the pics from my little friends


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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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Witch, Im in Asylum, Odyssey, NWO which will be whitelisted soon. All legit Guilds. And my 3 char's guildless. Fck you and your botting ass. You go reroll NAO plox.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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The presence of one guild does not make a server legit; the presence of a large legit community playing towards a common goal is what makes this server special. It is because we choose to have fun in all our ventures. Don't take this as pussyness or bot-supporterness but as much as I like Avalon they alone do not make Venus what it is. One guild war does not spell the end of a grand experiment.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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Future had everything coordinated on ventrilo, even turks went on vent. Thats where I got the pics from my little friends

so you got them out of someones comment?

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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We cant disband.... The game wont let us. As long as we hold the fortress disbanding isnt possible.


this is childish nb...
the agreement was that the loosing guild is supposed to disband. eot.
I'm terrified that Avalon lost. now I'll loose all respect for you if you show that you have no honor. they were bots, they cheated, but still you lost. there is no excuse for not keeping your end of agreement, unless you want to show that you are not trustworthy.
how can anybody trust people who set up the rules, if they themselves don't keep their word?

make a new guild, harden up and kick their ass. show them that one loss to cheaters won't break your spirit.

Meh you can always give the fort to midnight, imo. Won't change anything and you'll have kept your agreement.

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We wont disband. We shouldnt be fair to botters. iGod and vortex, fckin leave the forum now u botters. iGod, u're playing a botted char. WTH was that? U're part of a bot guild and played a botted char. If that's not bot support, then this forum need a re-check on something.

Good war nevertheless. We'll learn from this. And to other legits out there, stop hoping that we will disband because we wont. PERIOD. They can talk smack all they want, we dont fckin care. We're still the one who play the game as they're meant to be played. Stop talking about honor and all those bullcrap. Botters dont deserve shit.

Avalon will always be in Venus. We just lost once for god sakes!

+1... This is the spirit we need in Venus :roll:

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What honor are these people talking about? Pull yourself together man, it's just a game.

What does it bring you if you keep your word and disband Avalon for good? NOTHING! It'll only give an edge for botters

What does it bring you if you don't keep your word and keep Avalon? NOTHING!

What does it bring you if you'll be either fair or unfair to botters? NOTHING, NOTHING and NOTHING!

Personally, I don't give a hoohah about what will happen. Sure, I wanna fight botters and I wanna get rid of them in Venus, but that doesn't mean anything about having honor or not. If ya ask me, it's pointless

Agreed. Leaving the fortress away to botters would have been like bot supporting somehow. Give up the honor thing, it was supposed to be respected if the botters respected it too. They didn't, and since then it broke your agreement. Means you can get over it.

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Hey NB and Fly, Odyssey has 6 openings for serious plays that want to follow the legit rules..........So if you would like to join Odyssey just pm Kewtie in game! =)


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Look at it from Eos point.
Legits are legits and have to stick together. One fortress lost is not a war against bots lost.. Sry mates, but it's not about one fortress but a war against bots.


Eos is dead, lmao. And we didn't lose the fortress. Go back on your dead Eos forums if you don't know what's happening.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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Barotix wrote:
The presence of one guild does not make a server legit

No, but the rest of the server folding like a pack of cards and avalon actually listening to what these fuckers are saying kinda goes to show just how far people are prepared to go to maintain that, its a matter of princples, im personaly disgusted that everyone is just bending over and letting the bots get 1up on us over 1 war that they cheated in.. :x

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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Future had everything coordinated on ventrilo, even turks went on vent. Thats where I got the pics from my little friends

so you got them out of someones comment?


No, someone spelled it out for me obviously..


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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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The presence of one guild does not make a server legit

No, but the rest of the server folding like a pack of cards and avalon actually listening to what these fuckers are saying kinda goes to show just how far people are prepared to go to maintain that, its a matter of princples, im personaly disgusted that everyone is just bending over and letting the bots get 1up on us over 1 war that they cheated in.. :x


They may have won this battle but they will never win the war. We, as a confederacy, stand together, but if the leader of Avalon believes Avalon should disband then Avalon will disband.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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it's good to be back. I'm sick of douchebags like death, thinking they have anything to say that is usefull whats so ever. he has done shit on venus since day one. the only thing he has is a big fcking mouth


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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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sure ill disband. after i find a legit guild to give the fortress to. cant disband while holding the fort.


I don't see why you should, the agreement you made with them was made null and void when they broke the terms and conditions of the war by de-lvling for extra points, recruiting and using outside buffers. Just out of interest, i'd like to know how many more points they would get per kill for a lvl 89 vs a lvl 90 for being lvl 89, and how much less a 90 gets vs an 89.

Using the scores 28,000 vs 30,000, and assuming that only lvl 90s in Avalon and 89s in Epic were participating, if Epic were getting any more than 3.33333% more points per kill thanks to that trick, and vice versa for Avalon, getting 3.33333% less per kill, Epic would have lost if they hadn't de-leveled.

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 Post subject: Re: Avalon vs. Epic discussion
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I don't see why you should, the agreement you made with them was made null and void when they broke the terms and conditions of the war by de-lvling for extra points, recruiting and using outside buffers. Just out of interest, i'd like to know how many more points they would get per kill for a lvl 89 vs a lvl 90 for being lvl 89, and how much less a 90 gets vs an 89.


But that fact was known well in advance. Nothing stopping Ava from doing the same ;o

And about the buffers ... no offense but both sides had as many buffers. Maybe not at first, but as soon as Ava started to get more .. and evening it up .. the whole argument of "OMG OUTSIDE BUFFERS" .. got voided as you'd say.

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hmm... suppose so, depends on whether you consider de-lvling for a war cheating then. i'm not getting any further involved.

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sure ill disband. after i find a legit guild to give the fortress to. cant disband while holding the fort.


I don't see why you should, the agreement you made with them was made null and void when they broke the terms and conditions of the war by de-lvling for extra points, recruiting and using outside buffers. Just out of interest, i'd like to know how many more points they would get per kill for a lvl 89 vs a lvl 90 for being lvl 89, and how much less a 90 gets vs an 89.

I agree. I signed up to fight epic, not every bot in venus. But the war was not really about epic anyways. It proved that avalon cant take on all the bots by ourselves. As much as legits want to help out on venus, there efforts are slowed down or even cancled out of the lack of leadership outside of Avalon.

Let this be a wake up call for the rest of venus. YOU will have to show up for fw and guard it. YOU will have to answer the call of the trade runs being robbed. YOU will have to show up at south gate and slaughter the bots when they kill the low levels.

Avalon will disband, when the disband button becomes functional. The fight for venus has just begun and Epic is going to learn the taste of revenge. Everyone got too used to victory being easy and they take for granted the crap we have to put up with just to keep this server safe.

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I will avenge Avalon - rematch set for next Saturday. Odyssey vs Pepsi_Legends. They are already recruiting their bots. I say we show them when how strong our Legit war can be.


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And about the buffers ... no offense but both sides had as many buffers. Maybe not at first, but as soon as Ava started to get more .. and evening it up .. the whole argument of "OMG OUTSIDE BUFFERS" .. got voided as you'd say.



Legit: OH HAY LOOKZ epic has over 20 Outside clerics and tanks We wont do anything so people dont say we cheated aswell Lets just sit here and take it up the ass yeah.


so no it didnt get voided stfu. if your friend was getting jumped by 2 people bigger then him your telling me you wouldnt help?(just assume the fight was planned and that person was to show up alone)

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If it was just Epic vs Avalon they wouldn't even get 8k points. All those bots should quit guild hopping and either grow some balls fight your own guild battles or make one active guild.

Every guild war we've done has been Ava w/ one or 2 people who joined against every bot in the server that's online.

If we seriously dropped down to their level it would be a slaughter hands down every time. Even better I dare Epic to use only their own guild mates vs Recruited members of Avalon and BHA union. I guarantee the score will not be a 2k difference =]


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And about the buffers ... no offense but both sides had as many buffers. Maybe not at first, but as soon as Ava started to get more .. and evening it up .. the whole argument of "OMG OUTSIDE BUFFERS" .. got voided as you'd say.



Legit: OH HAY LOOKZ epic has over 20 Outside clerics and tanks We wont do anything so people dont say we cheated aswell Lets just sit here and take it up the ass yeah.


so no it didnt get voided stfu. if your friend was getting jumped by 2 people bigger then him your telling me you wouldnt help?(just assume the fight was planned and that person was to show up alone)



Please tell me where I said it was wrong ? You obviously lack reading comprehension so I will forgive you this time. I simply stated the whole excuse of Epic using outside buffers cannot be used as 3 unions were buffing Ava too. Nothing wrong with it AT ALL.

Also, what's with the whole RL reference ? It makes no sense.

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And about the buffers ... no offense but both sides had as many buffers. Maybe not at first, but as soon as Ava started to get more .. and evening it up .. the whole argument of "OMG OUTSIDE BUFFERS" .. got voided as you'd say.



Legit: OH HAY LOOKZ epic has over 20 Outside clerics and tanks We wont do anything so people dont say we cheated aswell Lets just sit here and take it up the ass yeah.


so no it didnt get voided stfu. if your friend was getting jumped by 2 people bigger then him your telling me you wouldnt help?(just assume the fight was planned and that person was to show up alone)



Please tell me where I said it was wrong ? You obviously lack reading comprehension so I will forgive you this time. I simply stated the whole excuse of Epic using outside buffers cannot be used as 3 unions were buffing Ava too. Nothing wrong with it AT ALL.

Also, what's with the whole RL reference ? It makes no sense.

my pt was 8/8 full avalon and no outside buffs. we only had 2 tanks and had to split quota/fence between the ints. not a single person had an outside buff in my pt. our other 2 parties can speak for themselves.

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my pt was 8/8 full avalon and no outside buffs. we only had 2 tanks and had to split quota/fence between the ints. not a single person had an outside buff in my pt. our other 2 parties can speak for themselves.


Yeah mate I believe ya don't worry. It's actually .......... actually I don't care, ... what's done is done. War was too bloody chaotic anyways. Surprised you guys were even able to click red names.

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my pt was 8/8 full avalon and no outside buffs. we only had 2 tanks and had to split quota/fence between the ints. not a single person had an outside buff in my pt. our other 2 parties can speak for themselves.


Yeah mate I believe ya don't worry. It's actually .......... actually I don't care, ... what's done is done. War was too bloody chaotic anyways. Surprised you guys were even able to click red names.

i bet if we had less people, we would of won. for some reason our turnout for wars in the past always sucked, and we always won. avalon vs 1337 was 8vs25. avalon vs turks was 16vs4x.

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my pt was 8/8 full avalon and no outside buffs. we only had 2 tanks and had to split quota/fence between the ints. not a single person had an outside buff in my pt. our other 2 parties can speak for themselves.


Yeah mate I believe ya don't worry. It's actually .......... actually I don't care, ... what's done is done. War was too bloody chaotic anyways. Surprised you guys were even able to click red names.


lol actually we couldnt click red names, in the beginning our party used support target to stack up the kills. But more and more people kept showing up and things got hectic, people dcing, after 5minutes our party ended up with 5 people from the dcs and we spent most of our time trying to find red names through the ocean of whites.

but yea, what's done is done, it's how we deal with it and move on that's important.

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i personally had to run around the outskirts of the mob until i could find a name then i jumped right back in and resume my 1337 four fps

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I don't see why you should, the agreement you made with them was made null and void when they broke the terms and conditions of the war by de-lvling for extra points, recruiting and using outside buffers. Just out of interest, i'd like to know how many more points they would get per kill for a lvl 89 vs a lvl 90 for being lvl 89, and how much less a 90 gets vs an 89.


But that fact was known well in advance. Nothing stopping Ava from doing the same ;o

I wasn't there so I don't know how far they deleveled, but they could have gone down to 85 and it wouldn't have affected them much because they're botters and they can just bot those levels back, whereas legits don't generally find it easy to level through 8x.

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