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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:15 pm 
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Because the forums are locked. They're moving to Aion, duh.
There are some good topics here, it's just that some nameless people decide to post bullshit topics and if someone tries to point out facts or opinions they get /bashed.


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Not all opinions are worth respecting and most of the time, "facts" are just thinly disguised opinions of little worth.

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Not all opinions are worth respecting and most of the time, "facts" are just thinly disguised opinions of little worth.

Especially the "botters have a life" opinion. Cause that is far from fact.

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Blackdragon6 wrote:
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Not all opinions are worth respecting and most of the time, "facts" are just thinly disguised opinions of little worth.

Especially the "botters have a life" opinion. Cause that is far from fact.


This is true, how many botters have you heard of babysitting thier bots? Pretty much all of them do it because when when they get caught in-game, they always give lame ass excuses on why they do what they do. So, how cool of a life is WATCHING a game play itself lol. Hilarious, that's how cool they are lol.

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Blackdragon6 wrote:
nightbloom wrote:
Not all opinions are worth respecting and most of the time, "facts" are just thinly disguised opinions of little worth.

Especially the "botters have a life" opinion. Cause that is far from fact.


This is true, how many botters have you heard of babysitting thier bots? Pretty much all of them do it because when when they get caught in-game, they always give lame ass excuses on why they do what they do. So, how cool of a life is WATCHING a game play itself lol. Hilarious, that's how cool they are lol.


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 Post subject: Re: [BOTS] Turn yourselves in here.
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I agree with sapparo, however, i do not intend to bot. D:


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__MagnuS__ wrote:
Blackdragon6 wrote:
nightbloom wrote:
Not all opinions are worth respecting and most of the time, "facts" are just thinly disguised opinions of little worth.

Especially the "botters have a life" opinion. Cause that is far from fact.


This is true, how many botters have you heard of babysitting thier bots? Pretty much all of them do it because when when they get caught in-game, they always give lame ass excuses on why they do what they do. So, how cool of a life is WATCHING a game play itself lol. Hilarious, that's how cool they are lol.

What? I have to disagree with this 90%. No bot babysits their character except for the few that are on this forum. TBH these days if you get caught botting it has no meaning behind it. If it was early 70 cap then I would say yes. Back then botting was considered bad and the people that did were left as outcasts. Today its nothing like that. If you get "caught" botting it is almost meaningless. Since getting caught has no repercussions barely any of them sit around watching their chars.

People need to talk to bots before they assume random facts based off the top of their heads

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What? I have to disagree with this 90%. No bot babysits their character except for the few that are on this forum. TBH these days if you get caught botting it has no meaning behind it. If it was early 70 cap then I would say yes. Back then botting was considered bad and the people that did were left as outcasts. Today its nothing like that. If you get "caught" botting it is almost meaningless. Since getting caught has no repercussions barely any of them sit around watching their chars.

People need to talk to bots before they assume random facts based off the top of their heads



Alot of bots on Venus babysit to avoid getting murder status.


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but that would be generalizing. just because its liek that on venus server doesnt mean all botters on all the other servers baby sit. plus people in my union say its possible to turn auto retaliate off. Apparently thats what makes the bot attack back automatically if you attack it. Plus i think they have alarms or something that makes noise when things happen. so if theres a noise when you attack them why would they need to baby sit? they could go off and do something like watch a movie and if they hear it thy could always go back, unless you count watchign a movie at home babysitting too...

i dunno but i agree a lot of botters are decent people you just need to get to knwo them first


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After getting like 10 murderers in Hera on my first day of bot hunting.. I started dieing more often with babysitters around :banghead:
Hmm... alot of botters a decent people.. Not sure about that, but i'd say not too much.

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 Post subject: Re: [BOTS] Turn yourselves in here.
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__MagnuS__ wrote:
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Especially the "botters have a life" opinion. Cause that is far from fact.


This is true, how many botters have you heard of babysitting thier bots? Pretty much all of them do it because when when they get caught in-game, they always give lame ass excuses on why they do what they do. So, how cool of a life is WATCHING a game play itself lol. Hilarious, that's how cool they are lol.

What? I have to disagree with this 90%. No bot babysits their character except for the few that are on this forum. TBH these days if you get caught botting it has no meaning behind it. If it was early 70 cap then I would say yes. Back then botting was considered bad and the people that did were left as outcasts. Today its nothing like that. If you get "caught" botting it is almost meaningless. Since getting caught has no repercussions barely any of them sit around watching their chars.

People need to talk to bots before they assume random facts based off the top of their heads
And how can you know that they don't? If they have such a good life, then why are they so retarded? I see most botters as 'basement losers' just because they have to have the best gear. And be the best. If not for that, then why not just play the game for fun?

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And how can you know that they don't? If they have such a good life, then why are they so retarded? I see most botters as 'basement losers' just because they have to have the best gear. And be the best. If not for that, then why not just play the game for fun?

How can I know that they dont?
I have talked to them.
Same reasons some legits are retarded. These days I seem to meet more retarded legits than botters.
Basement losers?
Umm thats just a stereotype from people who seem to have no clue, not saying you are that way. Most legits are the ones spend hours playing this game. Most botters are not part of some forum to spend their day posting. But these are just inaccurate stereotypes.
Actually more legits tend to be fully sunned than botters. I've seen too many legits that are broke one day and the next loaded up with 3 Bil and a full set of sun.
I dunno how it is on your server. But on Aege if you bot, you don't tend to buy as much gold.
But if your legit your buying tons of gold and enough for a full sun and tons extra.
TBH this game is much more fun the higher lvls you are. The higher lvl you are the less turks are a pest. The less high lvls pick on you. I could keep the list going but thats besides the point.

I'm not justifying botting but instead laying out the truth. Which by reading this thread, most people dont have a clue about.

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most bots on xian will b at their comp within 5mins of u pming or purpling them.
btw rogue ur sounding an awful lot like a bot supporter these past few posts.

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And how can you know that they don't? If they have such a good life, then why are they so retarded? I see most botters as 'basement losers' just because they have to have the best gear. And be the best. If not for that, then why not just play the game for fun?

How can I know that they dont?
I have talked to them.
Same reasons some legits are retarded. These days I seem to meet more retarded legits than botters.
Basement losers?
Umm thats just a stereotype from people who seem to have no clue, not saying you are that way. Most legits are the ones spend hours playing this game. Most botters are not part of some forum to spend their day posting. But these are just inaccurate stereotypes.
Actually more legits tend to be fully sunned than botters. I've seen too many legits that are broke one day and the next loaded up with 3 Bil and a full set of sun.
I dunno how it is on your server. But on Aege if you bot, you don't tend to buy as much gold.
But if your legit your buying tons of gold and enough for a full sun and tons extra.
TBH this game is much more fun the higher lvls you are. The higher lvl you are the less turks are a pest. The less high lvls pick on you. I could keep the list going but thats besides the point.

I'm not justifying botting but instead laying out the truth. Which by reading this thread, most people dont have a clue about.


Your post would carry more weight if you didn't refer to gold buyers as legits. If people buy gold, they are not legit. Legit means you play the game legitimately, aka without cheating, without going against the rules or the 'ethical standards' of gameplay in the community. That's just in my opinion at least.

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Your post would carry more weight if you didn't refer to gold buyers as legits. If people buy gold, they are not legit. Legit means you play the game legitimately, aka without cheating, without going against the rules or the 'ethical standards' of gameplay in the community. That's just in my opinion at least.

It's true that once someone purchases gold, they are no longer legit. The observation may be over generalized but the action of gold purchase is common in any server. Growth of gold selling companies is proof of this. Which brings us to ethical standards of gameplay, basically defined by the community of gamers. "Community of gamers", since we're not in a real world community but in a false community of gamers that play a game, in itself defines the 'ethical standards'. The common 'standard' has shifted. It is the natural course of mmos or any game where rules are not enforced.

Players who try to enforce their 'standards' in game, if for no other reason than for fun, I would argue to have no bearing on their life's priorities. It is a game, not more.

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most bots on xian will b at their comp within 5mins of u pming or purpling them.
btw rogue ur sounding an awful lot like a bot supporter these past few posts.

I'm not a bot supporter.
I'm just removing opinion from fact.
Just drives me crazy to hear the classic
"bots have lives, legits are lifeless" from bots
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"Bots post all day, we legits play the game" from legits
Its just the same exact thing said over and over again from different people with a slight turn to it.


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And how can you know that they don't? If they have such a good life, then why are they so retarded? I see most botters as 'basement losers' just because they have to have the best gear. And be the best. If not for that, then why not just play the game for fun?

How can I know that they dont?
I have talked to them.
Same reasons some legits are retarded. These days I seem to meet more retarded legits than botters.
Basement losers?
Umm thats just a stereotype from people who seem to have no clue, not saying you are that way. Most legits are the ones spend hours playing this game. Most botters are not part of some forum to spend their day posting. But these are just inaccurate stereotypes.
Actually more legits tend to be fully sunned than botters. I've seen too many legits that are broke one day and the next loaded up with 3 Bil and a full set of sun.
I dunno how it is on your server. But on Aege if you bot, you don't tend to buy as much gold.
But if your legit your buying tons of gold and enough for a full sun and tons extra.
TBH this game is much more fun the higher lvls you are. The higher lvl you are the less turks are a pest. The less high lvls pick on you. I could keep the list going but thats besides the point.

I'm not justifying botting but instead laying out the truth. Which by reading this thread, most people dont have a clue about.


Your post would carry more weight if you didn't refer to gold buyers as legits. If people buy gold, they are not legit. Legit means you play the game legitimately, aka without cheating, without going against the rules or the 'ethical standards' of gameplay in the community. That's just in my opinion at least.

What you say is 100% true. But on Aege 90% of the legits buy gold. They don't consider buying gold not legit. Almost all of them will deny it or ignore you but you can tell. They will talk about being broke and with crappy gear and the next day with sun parts and a good 500+mil to toss around. How does someone with nothing go from 10 mil to over 500 mil overnight?

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If they bot, Loser
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Simply put? I don't see any way to justify botting or buying gold. If you don't have time to play the game, then don't play the game am i right? All botters do is take up room and fun for everyone else. All gold buyers do, is make it so they have to buy even more gold cause prices go up more...

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if gold bots are crowding the server more than player bots, then the goldbuyers, botters or not, are responsible for that.

botting violates the TOS and gives the botters an unfair advantage over the non-botters (among them, the ability to "play" the character for longer hours).

botters should stop playing or botting. gold buyers should stop buying gold. that will improve the gameplay a lot.


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botters should stop playing or botting. gold buyers should stop buying gold. that will improve the gameplay a lot.


Sadly, that's like telling smokers to stop smoking because it will allow us non-smokers to enjoy a smoke-free environment. They won't listen. They'll just tell us to go breathe somewhere else. Botters will just tell us to go grind somewhere else. :(

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botters should stop playing or botting. gold buyers should stop buying gold. that will improve the gameplay a lot.


Sadly, that's like telling smokers to stop smoking because it will allow us non-smokers to enjoy a smoke-free environment. They won't listen. They'll just tell us to go breathe somewhere else. Botters will just tell us to go grind somewhere else. :(

Well, people botting around me probably won't give me lung cancer, lol.

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PR0METHEUS wrote:
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botters should stop playing or botting. gold buyers should stop buying gold. that will improve the gameplay a lot.


Sadly, that's like telling smokers to stop smoking because it will allow us non-smokers to enjoy a smoke-free environment. They won't listen. They'll just tell us to go breathe somewhere else. Botters will just tell us to go grind somewhere else. :(

Well, people botting around me probably won't give me lung cancer, lol.


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KillAndChill wrote:
PR0METHEUS wrote:
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botters should stop playing or botting. gold buyers should stop buying gold. that will improve the gameplay a lot.


Sadly, that's like telling smokers to stop smoking because it will allow us non-smokers to enjoy a smoke-free environment. They won't listen. They'll just tell us to go breathe somewhere else. Botters will just tell us to go grind somewhere else. :(

Well, people botting around me probably won't give me lung cancer, lol.


No but it does give the game a kind of cancer. One botter becomes two, becomes 4, becomes 8, etc... just like a cancer cell.

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i agree, but have you ever heard that the world can't afford a cure? think about it, every year millions(Maybe billions) are spent on cancer research and there are places all around the world that search for the cure. What happens when we find it? all those people and places will be shut down. People will be out of jobs etc. Now lets put this as JoyMax, Botters are the cancer, they spend money on this game probably about the same as legit people. They find a cure, they lose the money, if the risk is higher than the reward they won't take it. Simple business skills. They go by banning a few bots here and there and keep the general community happy. As long as the money comes in those bots will be going.

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Cancer is not always caused by the person's actions. There are various causes of cancer, genetic predisposition is one of them (for example hematological cancers). To compare something like botting to cancer, is not only excessive, it also displays a significant ignorance to the nature of oncological pathology. Maybe, just maybe, fixing a broken game is all that matters to you, but don't start comparing it in the same magnitude to real life problems.

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Cancer is not always caused by the person's actions. There are various causes of cancer, genetic predisposition is one of them (for example hematological cancers). To compare something like botting to cancer, is not only excessive, it also displays a significant ignorance to the nature of oncological pathology. Maybe, just maybe, fixing a broken game is all that matters to you, but don't start comparing it in the same magnitude to real life problems.


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i agree, but have you ever heard that the world can't afford a cure? think about it, every year millions(Maybe billions) are spent on cancer research and there are places all around the world that search for the cure. What happens when we find it? all those people and places will be shut down. People will be out of jobs etc. Now lets put this as JoyMax, Botters are the cancer, they spend money on this game probably about the same as legit people. They find a cure, they lose the money, if the risk is higher than the reward they won't take it. Simple business skills. They go by banning a few bots here and there and keep the general community happy. As long as the money comes in those bots will be going.

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Um... those facilities that research to find cures for cancers are not just cancer research facilities. Even if they devoted 100% of their time to cancer research now, if they find a cure for it, they'll just find another disease to research. If all known diseases are cured, new diseases will be identified and the search for a cure will continue.

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