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Post subject: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:56 am |
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Now that the post in the other section is done loading... Ive already released a challenge to some guilds in Red Sea(No takers yet, the pussies) Since you want to act like a dictator fly, Ill act as an opposing terroristic bastard who wants to see you lose what you have, woot rp'ing is fun:)..lmao
20billion gold to the guild that takes it from Avalon. This is a gamewide offer. Any guild may start here on Venus and try to take it. You get your gold the day you win it. Ill pay for all guild upgrades if you are starting new. Now lets see if anyone takes this seriously and does it. I dont care who gets it, as long as it leaves avalon hands.
Oh and next month is pk month. Every pic you post of murdering an 80+ member of avalon gets you 1m. Like I said next month ill give the details. Woot Im starting to like playing bad guy on venus fly....
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:59 am |
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Lol. I dun see this leading anywhere better (would've said "good," but the situation's already in the crapper).
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:15 am |
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IMO all you will do is strengthen them - they are a war machine and your actions will only keep it spinning
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:01 am |
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"You crossed the line first, sir. You hammered them. And in their desperation they turned to a man they didn't fully understand. Some men aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn."
Someone pull the curtain on The Joker's act. >___>
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:18 am |
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this is disgusting, it's sick and wrong!
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:07 pm |
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Death, Fly is a tactician. Deep down, once you get past the paranoia, I'm sure he has a diplomatic side. Eventually the peace talks will break through.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:13 pm |
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T3ddy, I think you can come up with a more constructive way to respond to shit. No need for the nasty shit you spout everytime you respond to one of my posts. I really dont see the correlation between sro and, um how did you put it, oh yeah fckin a kid. Real fckin mature of you. I know Baro, I like fckin with fly, and this is just one of those instances. Im serious about the offer if anyone does forcefully take it..:p But all in all, just havin some fun man. 
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:41 pm |
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AngloKnight wrote: umm, the fcking shit.. I won't dig up in my past posts to find why I said you were a pervert.. but one reason would be your language.. I could sense it just like that... Oh btw, I'm just fcking with you so don't worry..
Oh and about Fly, he's the best fcking politician I've ever seen in my life.. Fck our presidents.. Fly would pwn them all.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Yeah, Fly's a great war-time politician. Try to get him to deal with Domestic issues and you've got yourself a Bush. When dealing with fellow Legits, you do not use a Stalin, you use an FDR or LBJ. Meh, doesn't matter. Personally I think this is a ploy to destroy Venus so we all go to Utopia. Fly, don't tweak Utopia's skills /grrr. Blade/Overkill/BHA together will carry on the Torch. There will be at least 2, if not three forts by the time Fly is ready to pass the Crown. Will BHA be ready to do what is necessary to rule? Born through Fire, will the dragon awaken?
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:42 pm |
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Barotix wrote: AngloKnight wrote: umm, the fcking shit.. I won't dig up in my past posts to find why I said you were a pervert.. but one reason would be your language.. I could sense it just like that... Oh btw, I'm just fcking with you so don't worry..
Oh and about Fly, he's the best fcking politician I've ever seen in my life.. Fck our presidents.. Fly would pwn them all.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Yeah, Fly's a great war-time politician. Try to get him to deal with Domestic issues and you've got yourself a bush. When dealing with fellow Legits, you do not use a Stalin, you use an FDR or LBJ. Your blind then :S
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:48 pm |
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deathtoall wrote: Now that the post in the other section is done loading... Ive already released a challenge to some guilds in Red Sea(No takers yet, the pussies) Since you want to act like a dictator fly, Ill act as an opposing terroristic bastard who wants to see you lose what you have, woot rp'ing is fun:)..lmao
20billion gold to the guild that takes it from Avalon. This is a gamewide offer. Any guild may start here on Venus and try to take it. You get your gold the day you win it. Ill pay for all guild upgrades if you are starting new. Now lets see if anyone takes this seriously and does it. I dont care who gets it, as long as it leaves avalon hands.
Oh and next month is pk month. Every pic you post of murdering an 80+ member of avalon gets you 1m. Like I said next month ill give the details. Woot Im starting to like playing bad guy on venus fly....
Hugs and Kisses...Death Wish you'd stay out of Venus section.. noone here likes you or finds you funny.. 
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:48 pm |
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AngloKnight wrote: Barotix wrote: AngloKnight wrote: umm, the fcking shit.. I won't dig up in my past posts to find why I said you were a pervert.. but one reason would be your language.. I could sense it just like that... Oh btw, I'm just fcking with you so don't worry..
Oh and about Fly, he's the best fcking politician I've ever seen in my life.. Fck our presidents.. Fly would pwn them all.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Yeah, Fly's a great war-time politician. Try to get him to deal with Domestic issues and you've got yourself a bush. When dealing with fellow Legits, you do not use a Stalin, you use an FDR or LBJ. Your blind then :S I'm blind? No, T3ddy, the one who is blind is you. Eating what your leader tells, have you never questioned his actions? Not even once? He is a great war-time leader. I have never doubted his capabilities in dealing with enemies but he cannot deal with friends or possible allies in the same way. He must be calm. You cannot expect submission from an Ally, and that is where Fly fails. He IS a Stalin. Willing to kill his people to achieve his Goals. As I said, an FDR would be better. Just as Manipulative as a Stalin, the difference being? FDR knew how to deal with PR and hide his skeletons. Your leader has met every attempt to negotiate with war-mongering, chest-thumping bravado. War-Time, against bots: Great. Peace-Talks, with legits: Failure. His idea of peace is total destruction. "Some men just want to watch the world BURN." EDIT: Added, "with legits" to avoid confusion.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:06 pm |
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AngloKnight wrote: I'm out of the talks until I see some constructive replies... that includes the other drama threads on SRF No, T3ddy. I have been replying constructively and meeting your lies head on. You are the one not seeing what has happened and continues to happen. The issue was, and still is: Fly does not like certain BHA members because of misinformation. The whole alliance system was bound to burst eventually. I saw it coming, I believe it is the second post in the alliance thread: "I told you so". To much big brother. Now the second thing I predict is the Fall of Venus once Fly leaves because he did not foresee this. If Fly wanted BHA to carry on his legacy he should have raised them before letting them free. He should have taught them as I and others were taught. I do not doubt the outcome of these peace-talks. BHA is incapable of carrying on the legacy: Correct. BHA are bot supporters: INCORRECT. Fly is a capable war-time leader: Correct. Fly has terrible domestic policies: Correct. I want to get to the root of the problem and fix this mess now. Venus will not be lost because of the actions or inaction of a select few. Fly apologize for The pking incident. You are the voice of Avalon. BHA no more family. You will become an extension of the War Machine or Venus will fall. Fly has lost sight of his allies, BHA has forgotten who made Venus. This is an issue of respect, and it falls on the shoulders of both Unions.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:07 pm |
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Barotix wrote: AngloKnight wrote: Barotix wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Yeah, Fly's a great war-time politician. Try to get him to deal with Domestic issues and you've got yourself a bush. When dealing with fellow Legits, you do not use a Stalin, you use an FDR or LBJ.
Your blind then :S I'm blind? No, T3ddy, the one who is blind is you. Eating what your leader tells, have you never questioned his actions? Not even once? He is a great war-time leader. I have never doubted his capabilities in dealing with enemies but he cannot deal with friends or possible allies in the same way. He must be calm. You cannot expect submission from an Ally, and that is where Fly fails. He IS a Stalin. Willing to kill his people to achieve his Goals. As I said, an FDR would be better. Just as Manipulative as a Stalin, the difference being? FDR knew how to deal with PR and hide his skeletons. Your leader has met every attempt to negotiate with war-mongering, chest-thumping bravado. War-Time: Great. Peace-Talks: Failure. His idea of peace is total destruction. "Some men just want to watch the world BURN." His ideals are destruction of the bots at all costs. Do some of us find it fun? Not completely. Do we see it as necessary to achieve the goals? Yes, yes it is. All it is, is a different approach to the matter. the fact of the matter, is that against the bots, we are at war. Constant, vigilant, war. Just because we want to see it through to its completion, doesn't mean we're different. The vibe I pick up from posts here is that BHA thinks, "There is legit control of the server, we beat the bots in PvP, we can all have fun." Avalon sees it as, "We still have bots, we must get rid of them at all costs." The biggest misunderstanding that I can see here is, that we're not fully agreeing on the means in which to accomplish such a goal. It's the fact that, from what I can see, it is mostly Avalon going the one step further with complete denial. Also from what I can see, this whole thing got blown out of proportion by the whole bot support accusation. Now, this may sound harsh, but what you did by fighting against us is, indirectly, caused them to feel accepted. Remember what I said in the other thread, that every little thing that you don't do against them, makes them feel accepted? Ya, its been applied here. Biggest reason the two unions can't see eye-to-eye, is because it was only Avalon that fought the hardest section of the fight. Right now, it's cleaning up the scraps, but a few small pieces of acceptance is allowing those scraps to reform. Take from my post what you will. I know you'll find something to try and poke holes in. Push comes to shove, I've been there, I've helped fight the hardest section. I've done my duty as a legit player, more then some people have. The torch has been passed from some of us older players to the new blood of the server. All we ask, is that you respect the COMPLETE denial part.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:15 pm |
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Lol, Necro you misunderstood my post. "Diplomacy with Comrades", I'm pretty sure bots aren't fly's comrades. I was raised by Avalonian standards in Hurricane, from Level 1. War-Time: Great (i.e.) Complete denial of Bots. Diplomacy(Peace, with Legits): Terrible (i.e.) He-said, She-said by relation, you all said.  Angry face, grrr. In other words: Fly just takes the actions of a few that can be dealt (not sure if this should be the term used) with and generalizes for the whole. Fly never called BHA bot supporters, his underlings did. What Fly did was refuse to talk about the so called issues that he keeps bringing up. The issues really come down to: He said, She said. All Misinformation. You silly goose, why the hell would I want peace with bots. Quote: might is not always right; when dealing with comrades. That quote might clear my point up. I love Fly's method of dealing with bots. What isn't "fun" is Fly's way of dealing with other Legits.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:21 pm |
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I apologise for the misinterpretation then. Been dealing with this shit a lot today, and I guess it's kinda starting to blur together. ~__~
Sometimes, you need to be diplomatic by force. Now, I realise this isn't the best way to deal with allies, but when dealing with other outside factors and maintaining internal ones, I'm sure it would get really stressful. He may come across as brash, but I'm sure he means well.
I mean honestly, think of the stress of manage his own union, doing his best to help the Confederacy, dealing with all those PMs and denying bots at the same time. I respect him for that.
In all honesty, and this is gonna sound harsh and it is meant to be impartial, but sometimes people just have to ride out the rough times. Like, the treatment BHA is receiving right now would be such a harsh time. But with the amount of situations that have arisen in both unions lately, while dealing with that it may be looked upon as best to separate partially to clear it out. Not to say this is the best method to go about it, but it is valid.
May sound like me pulling excuses out of no where, but if you think about it, breaking up the bigger problem into more manageable chunks is resourceful. It just may have been gone around the wrong way with a bit of breakdown in communication.
But hey, I can only go by what I've read, how I interpret matters and my own feelings on these matters.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:22 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:25 pm |
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Quote: breakdown in communication. That is what caused the problems. Quote: I mean honestly, think of the stress of manage his own union, doing his best to help the Confederacy, dealing with all those PMs and denying bots at the same time. I respect him for that. That is why Fly is the shit. Quote: breaking up the bigger problem into more manageable chunks is resourceful That will lead to: Quote: breakdown in communication. which leads to: group polarization, once that happens the chances of Avalon and BHA coming back together are slim to none. Paranoia, and group polarization. @Glen, nice choice in music.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:29 pm |
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I think if things just got communicated that, you know, sometimes these misunderstanding happen, and sometimes groups need to be apart to cool down, know where everyone stands and sort things out, a lot of this mess would've been avoided. Again, only going on what I've read and how I've interpreted that matter.
My only suggestion is that everyone needs to step back, take a niiiiiice deep breath, and let things take its course for the time being. Stop saying shit about each other and just let things sort themselves out. Then discussion on reforging an alliance could easily happen, as time for passions have cooled.
Glen, that song easily suits the situation at hand. XD
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:35 pm |
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It's just one of those days Where ya don't wanna wake up Everything is farked, everybody sucks. You don't really know why But you wanna justify rippin' someone's head off No human contact And if you interact your life is on contract Your best bet is to stay away mother fucker! It's just one of those days!
It's all about the he said she said bullshit I think you better quit lettin' shit slip Or you'll be leavin with a fat lip It's all about the he said she said bullshit I think you better quit talkin' that shit
It's just one of those days Feelin' like a freight train First one to complain Leaves with a blood stain Damn right I'm a maniac You better watch your back Cuz I'm fuckin' up your program And if you're stuck up You just lucked up Next in line to get farked up Your best bet is to stay away motherfucker! It's just one of those days!
It's all about the he said she said bullshit. I think you better quit lettin shit slip Or you'll be leavin with a fat lip It's all about the he said she said bullshit I think you better quit talkin that shit, punk So come and get it
I feel like shit My suggestion is to keep your distance Cuz right now I'm dangerous We've all felt like shit And been treated like shit All those motherfuckers, they want to step up I hope ya know I pack a chainsaw I'll skin your ass raw And if my day keeps going this way I just might break something tonight Give me something to break
I pack a chainsaw I'll skin your ass raw And if my day keeps going this way I just might break your fuckin' face tonite
Give me something to break Just give me something to break How 'bout your fuckin' face?
I hope you know I pack a chainsaw, what? I hope you know I pack a chainsaw, a mutherfuckin' chainsaw, what? So come and get it
It's all about the he said she said bullshit. I think you better quit lettin shit slip Or you'll be leavin with a fat lip It's all about the he said she said bullshit I think you better quit talkin that shit So come and get it
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:14 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:38 pm |
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Barotix wrote: Fly never called BHA bot supporters, his underlings did. Fly wrote: you have a nice long essay ready for every single point i make that just gives a bunch of lame excuses to why your people are allowed to go around being boarderline bot supporters. Fly did call us bot supporters. -_-
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:38 pm |
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Necro, not sure if you've read the confederation forum or not, but the lines of communication were opened in there by SG. The posts were only between SG and Fly with no other opinions to get in the way of the two leaders, which is how it should be. In that thread it became apparent that the two unions saw things differently on how situations should be handled, this is how all this is coming about. We know the lines of communication are broken, but they are broken because of differing views that we can't reconcile atm. If you have a way of fixing that, let us know. When two sides don't see things in the same light, it is very difficult to come to an understanding, especially with so many individuals involved.
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Post subject: Re: Venus Fortress Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:46 pm |
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Nope, haven't read there to be honest. If you would like to give me a link to the thread in question in a PM, I'd be more then happy to give any suggestions I could on how to reconcile matters.
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