Post subject: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:39 pm
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Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that Congress may be forced to take action to limit video game violence.
Speaking to an audience of around 500 in San Francisco, Feinstein, who led the charge in the Senate on an assault weapons ban, said the video game industry should take voluntary steps to make sure it does not glorify guns in the wake of the December mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. She added that if the industry does not, Congress is prepared to take action, according to the Associated Press. Read More Here
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:22 pm
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Of course it's led by Dianne Feinstein. I guess she has no other choice since her gun ban fell on its face. Hahaha this old hag has been trying to ban everything for the last 20 years. What's next? Is she going to ban butter knives?
Is your kid under 18? Does your kid appear to have mental issues? If so, don't buy him a Farking violent video game. Blame the parents for buying M rated games for their 13 year old kids.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:15 pm
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Lets limit our still-relevant 1st Amendment cause those rednecks wont let us do the same with our outdated 2nd Amendment. YAY!
In other news, Obama still biggest pussy ever
Your thought process is so hypocritical... How are you any less a bigot than these democrats wanting to limit video game violence? You use the wordshare howeck like some would use the word *****... You would be okay with limiting one person rights cause it wouldn't effect you, but bitch when they come after something you are in favor of..
Please share with us how the 2nd amendment is outdated and the 1st isn't? Far more technological advances in media and communication than there have been with rifles and pistol. Tyrannical governments still exist, and human nature hasn't changed.
Using the word redneck to describe someone that supports the 2nd amendment shows exactly how ignorant you are about the issue. This kinda of thinking is another reason I dislike liberals. (it's okay for them to be bigots)
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:36 pm
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Heres the reason. The 1st amendment allows us to criticize without facing consequences for it. The 2nd Amendment seems to be mainly for making it so people can carry out a revolution if necessary. But its already been watered down so much that at the moment, the only reason it seems to be even protected is so people can go to gun ranges and play with their semi-automatic rifles. (People cant revolt the gov't w/o tanks, automatic weapons and apache helicopters.)
Now please tell me why its ok to ban automatic rifles and tanks but not allows universal background checks? Do you not find that hypocritical at all?
The redneck bit was mostly me trying to show what Feinstein's rationale probably was
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Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:59 pm
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Heres the reason. The 1st amendment allows us to criticize without facing consequences for it. The 2nd Amendment seems to be mainly for making it so people can carry out a revolution if necessary. But its already been watered down so much that at the moment, the only reason it seems to be even protected is so people can go to gun ranges and play with their semi-automatic rifles. (People cant revolt the gov't w/o tanks, automatic weapons and apache helicopters.)
Now please tell me why its ok to ban automatic rifles and tanks but not allows universal background checks? Do you not find that hypocritical at all?
The redneck bit was mostly me trying to show what Feinstein's rationale probably was
GG. Where to start. I guess, the tank and full auto argument. It's not illegal to own a tank or a fully automatic rifle. You just have to have the proper certifications. I know a guy who restores old tanks, and he even has his own MiG. The same applies to owning fully automatic, as well as carrying any kind of firearm concealed in a lot of states.
Either way, you're ignorant to the reason most use the 2nd amendment today. If you'd just look a little further than the front page of your local basis media outlet, you'd see that many legal gun owners all over the United States use their guns for protection. If you think the 2nd amendment is the reason we have the crime rate or high death rate by guns that we do, than you're sadly mistaken. No amount of laws will stop guns from being brought to this land illegally, just like with drugs... I'm still not sure why you statist are so fixated on laws actually preventing murder. Mexico has stricter gun laws than the US, yet they have a worse problem with guns.. (I think this current administration even gave the drug cartels guns, which ended up being used to kill innocent ppl. Nice)
The redneck bit I wouldn't have said anything about if you hadn't already used it many times before.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:26 pm
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I didn't know it was possible to actually own tanks and auto rifles, but as you said, there are certain requirements to owning them. Is that not against the 2nd amendment then? Trust me I have read enough conservative opinion/"news" to see the bullshit they are touting Criminals go to random gun shows in lax states and buy shitload of guns w/o meeting requirements. Then they go on to sell these guns, again w/o background checks, to other criminals in big cities. Relaxed gun laws in Kansas directly affects criminals having guns in Chicago. You see, there is no border patrol in between states. Connecticut just passed a shitload of gun laws? Too bad, someone can just go to a gun show in Vermont, fill their car up with guns, and go on a shooting spree back in Connecticut. If its ok to have background checks when you buy a gun at Walmart, why is it tyrannical when you buy it from some random guy down the street? Screw gun trafficking from mexico, theres gun trafficking inbetween US states
Obama/Democrats kept crying about universal background checks without actually relaying the rationale behind it, they let LaPierre smugass face make it about personal liberty, so now they are trying to make it seem like they are doing something by trying to ban "violent" media.
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Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:03 am
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How many times are they going to try this before they realize they are making fools of themselves.
@ the gun control shit, I (as a liberal) have no issue with people owning guns what I do have an issue with is how easily you can obtain one. Also the types if guns you can own is Farking ridiculous, a friend of mines uncle owns 2 .50 cal sniper rifles, that's not for protection. I know in my state with proper licensing you can get a silencer for your gun, why in hell would you need a silencer for a pistol and do not even say "so I don't have to wear earpro."
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:27 am
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Probable reasons why mass-murdering shooters play action/FPS games: 1. They're very popular. Everyone plays them. 2. It's a fun competitive game. 3. Action-packed theme has always been a good bet on games/movies. 4. They're attracted to the FPS genre -- for whatever reason.
Reasons these idiots think mass-murdering shooters own a copy of Call of Duty: 1. Violent shooter games teach and train people to kill other human beings.
The truth is that people are afraid of what they can't and don't understand. Most ignorant people refuse to be educated about things they don't understand because they fear them. It's hard to educate this group about why their view is a misguided one built on fallacies.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:11 pm
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The truth is that people are afraid of what they can't and don't understand.
Why People Fear Guns
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By John R. Lott Jr.
People fear guns. Yet, while guns make it easier for bad things to happen, they also make it easier for people to protect themselves.
With the avalanche of horrific news stories about guns over the years, it's no wonder people find it hard to believe that, according to surveys (one I conducted for 2002 for my book, "The Bias Against Guns," and three earlier academic surveys by different researchers published in such journals as the Journal of Criminal Justice) there are about two million defensive gun uses) each year; guns are used defensively four times more frequently than they are to commit crimes.
The rebuttal to this claim always is: If these events were really happening, wouldn't we hear about them on the news? Many people tell me that they have never heard of an incident of defensive gun use. There is a good reason for their confusion. In 2001, the three major television networks -- ABC, CBS, and NBC -- ran 190,000 words' worth of gun-crime stories on their morning and evening national news broadcasts. But they ran not a single story mentioning a private citizen using a gun to stop a crime.
The print media was almost as biased: The New York Times ran 50,745 words on contemporaneous gun crimes, but only one short, 163-word story on a retired police officer who used his gun to stop a robbery. For USA Today, the tally was 5,660 words on gun crimes versus zero on defensive uses.
Just take some of the 18 defensive gun uses that I found covered by newspapers around the country during the first 10 days of December:
-- Little Rock, Ark: After the assailant attacked him and his son-in-law with a poker, a 64-year-old minister shot a man dead on church grounds. The attacker had engaged in a string of assaults in an apparent drug-induced frenzy.
-- Corpus Christi, Texas: A woman shot to death her ex-husband, who had broken into her house. The woman had a restraining order against the ex-husband.
-- Tampa Bay, Fla.: A 71-year-old man, Melvin Spaulding, shot 20-year-old James Moore in the arm as Moore and two friends were beating up his neighbor, 63-year-old George Lowe. Spaulding had a concealed weapons permit.
--Bellevue, Wash.: A man shot a pit bull that lunged to within a foot of him and his family. Police said the man's family had been repeatedly menaced in the past by the dog.
-- Jonesboro, Ga.: A father out walking with his 11-year-old daughter was attacked by an armed robber. The police say the father shot the attacker in self-defense and will not face charges.
-- Houston, Texas: Andrea McNabb shot two of the three men who tried to rob her plumbing business on the afternoon of Dec. 1.
-- Philadelphia, Pa: A pharmacy manager fatally shot one robber and wounded another after the robbers threatened to kill workers at the store. The wounded robber escaped.
Part of the reason defensive gun use isn't covered in the media may be simple news judgment. If a news editor faces two stories, one with a dead body on the ground and another where a woman brandished a gun and the attacker ran away, no shots fired, almost anyone would pick the first story as more newsworthy. In 2002, some 90 percent of the time when people used guns defensively, they stopped the criminals simply by brandishing the gun.
But that doesn't explain all the disparity in coverage. It doesn't, for example, explain why, in some heavily covered public middle and high school shootings, the media mentioned in only 1 percent or fewer of their stories that the attacks were stopped when citizens used guns to stop the attacks.
The unbalanced reporting is probably greatest in cases where children die from accidental gunshots fired by another child. Most people have seen the public-service ads showing the voices or pictures of children between the ages of four and eight, never over the age of eight, and the impression is that there is an epidemic of accidental deaths involving small children. The exaggerated media attention given these particularly tragic deaths makes these claims believable.
The debate over laws requiring that people lock up their guns in their home usually concentrates on the deaths of these younger children. The trigger and barrel locks mandated by these laws are often only considered reliable for preventing the access to guns by children under age 7.
The truth is that in 1999, for children whose ages correspond with the public service ads, 31 children under the age of 10 died from an accidental gunshot and only six of these cases appear to have involved another child under 10 as the culprit. Nor was this year unusual. Between 1995 and 1999, only five to nine cases a year involved a child wounding or killing another child with a gun. For children under 15, there were a total of 81 accidental gun deaths of all types in 1999. Any death is tragic, but it should be noted that more children under five drowned in bathtubs or plastic water buckets than from guns.
The gun deaths are covered extensively as well as prominently, with individual cases getting up to 88 separate news stories. In contrast, when children use guns to save lives, the event might at most get one brief mention in a small local paper. Yet these events do occur.
--In February, 2002, the South Bend, Indiana Tribune reported the story of an 11-year-old boy who shot and killed a man holding a box cutter to his grandmother's neck. Trained to use a firearm, the boy killed the assailant in one shot, even though the man was using his grandmother as a shield.
--In May, 2001 in Louisianna, a 12-year-old girl shot and killed her mother's abusive ex-boyfriend after he broke into their home and began choking her mother. The story appeared in the New Orleans Advocate.
--In January, 2001, in Angie, Louisianna, a 13 year-old boy stopped for burglars from entering his home by firing the family's shotgun, wounding one robber and scaring off the other three. The four men were planning on attacking the boy's mother--an 85-pound terminal cancer patient--in order to steal her pain medication.
As a couple of reporters told me, journalists are uncomfortable printing such positive gun stories because they worry that it will encourage children to get access to guns. The whole process snowballs, however, because the exaggeration of the risks--along with lack of coverage of the benefits--cements the perceived risks more and more firmly in newspaper editors and reporters minds. This makes them ever more reluctant to publish such stories.
While all this coverage affects the overall gun-control debate, it also directly shapes perceptions of proposed legislation. Take the upcoming debate over renewing the so-called assault-weapons ban. This past summer CNN repeatedly showed a news segment that starts off with a machine gun firing and claims that the guns covered by the ban do much more damage than other guns. CNN later attempted to clarify the segment by saying that the real problem was with the ammunition used in these guns. But neither of these points is true. The law does not deal at all with machine guns (though the pictures of machine guns sure are compelling)--and the "assault weapons" fire the same bullets at the same rate, and accomplish the exact same thing, as other semi-automatic guns not covered by the ban.
The unbalanced presentation dominates not just the media but also government reports and polling. Studies by the Justice and Treasury Departments have long evaluated just the cost guns impose on society. Every year, Treasury puts out a report on the top 10 guns used in crime, and each report serves as the basis for dozens of news stories. But why not also provide a report--at least once--on the top 10 guns used defensively? Similarly, numerous government reports estimate the cost of injuries from guns, but none measures the number of injuries prevented when guns are used defensively.
National polls further reinforce these biased perceptions. Not one of the national polls (as far as I was able to find) gave respondents an option to mention that gun control might actually be harmful. Probably the least biased polls still give respondents just two choices: supporting "tougher gun-control legislation to help in the fight against gun crime" or "better enforcement of current laws." Yet, both options ultimately imply that gun control is good.
But if we really want to save lives, we need to address the whole truth about guns--including the costs of not owning guns. We never, for example, hear about the families who couldn't defend themselves and were harmed because they didn't have guns.
Discussing only the costs of guns and not their benefits poses the real threat to public safety as people make mistakes on how best to defend themselves and their families.
John R. Lott, Jr., a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of "The Bias Against Guns".
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:47 pm
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How many times are they going to try this before they realize they are making fools of themselves.
@ the gun control shit, I (as a liberal) have no issue with people owning guns what I do have an issue with is how easily you can obtain one. Also the types if guns you can own is Farking ridiculous, a friend of mines uncle owns 2 .50 cal sniper rifles, that's not for protection. I know in my state with proper licensing you can get a silencer for your gun, why in hell would you need a silencer for a pistol and do not even say "so I don't have to wear earpro."
I know, suppressors sole purpose is to let you murder people silently, as in movies and games.
Just like what they are saying about how video games are killing simulators.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:00 pm
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DarkJackal wrote:
Aventus wrote:
How many times are they going to try this before they realize they are making fools of themselves.
@ the gun control shit, I (as a liberal) have no issue with people owning guns what I do have an issue with is how easily you can obtain one. Also the types if guns you can own is Farking ridiculous, a friend of mines uncle owns 2 .50 cal sniper rifles, that's not for protection. I know in my state with proper licensing you can get a silencer for your gun, why in hell would you need a silencer for a pistol and do not even say "so I don't have to wear earpro."
I know, suppressors sole purpose is to let you murder people silently, as in movies and games.
Just like what they are saying about how video games are killing simulators.
Sarcasm?
Where I'm from, we use suppressors(legit with certs to own), so not to wake all hell every time we go out shooting. The sonic boom of a supersonic round is loud enough as it is, so having a suppressor on it really cuts down a lot of the sound and helps much like a muzzle brake. Also, they are a great way to teach beginners. A lot of ppl that are new to shooting flinch right before pulling the trigger because they anticipate.
@Aventus. How many crimes have you heard of actually taken place using a .50 cal or even a silenced weapon? You can't base real world stuff off of what you see in video games. This is why I believe they should ban all violent video games, just as they should ban any kind of street racing game.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:08 pm
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DarkJackal wrote:
Aventus wrote:
How many times are they going to try this before they realize they are making fools of themselves.
@ the gun control shit, I (as a liberal) have no issue with people owning guns what I do have an issue with is how easily you can obtain one. Also the types if guns you can own is Farking ridiculous, a friend of mines uncle owns 2 .50 cal sniper rifles, that's not for protection. I know in my state with proper licensing you can get a silencer for your gun, why in hell would you need a silencer for a pistol and do not even say "so I don't have to wear earpro."
I know, suppressors sole purpose is to let you murder people silently, as in movies and games.
Just like what they are saying about how video games are killing simulators.
Sarcasm?
Where I'm from, we use suppressors(legit with certs to own), so not to wake all hell every time we go out shooting. The sonic boom of a supersonic round is loud enough as it is, so having a suppressor on it really cuts down a lot of the sound and helps much like a muzzle brake. Also, they are a great way to teach beginners. A lot of ppl that are new to shooting flinch right before pulling the trigger because they anticipate.
Of course lol, my point was he kinda sounds like the people he was calling fools. They think just because you kill people in videos games it leads to it irl. And suppressors are most common in movies and games for silent killing, but obviously that's not their purpose.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 1:12 am
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You guys are reading entirely to deep into that, I'm literally just saying why the hell would you need a .50 cal, we aren't hunting elephants. Like I understand its cool but its not a gun I think the general public needs to have access too.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:50 am
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You guys are reading entirely to deep into that, I'm literally just saying why the hell would you need a .50 cal, we aren't hunting elephants. Like I understand its cool but its not a gun I think the general public needs to have access too.
Your assuming guns are only meant to kill, again. Guns are not simply tools of death. Some people are into guns. They collect them, they like to shoot them. Personally i'm not a gun nut, but if I could i'd gladly own a big sniper or heavy machine gun like the ones I use in most games lol. I'd like to experience shooting them irl. Or even just mount on my wall or something.
Is there really much difference between owning an average pistol, or shotgun, or hunting rifle, compared to bigger assault rifle/sniper? Does owning a smaller legal gun make me any less likely to murder you?
Might as well ask why anyone needs a big souped up truck, or super expensive pc ;d.
Actually I gotta add, I would so rather have the Grizzly rifle from Tremors 2. That's just awesome.
Or a real Lancer from Gears of War. No one needs an assault rifle with a chainsaw built into it, but ill be dammed if people wouldn't want one.
I get there's a point at which guns get big enough and deadly enough that they should only be for military or w/e perhaps. But I just feel its not fair to screw others because some people used them the way they do. Vidya games, guns, these are not the problem, people are.
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:27 pm
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Well the day you emotional thinkers can make a law that an actual murderer/ psychopath will obey, I might think about handing in my pistols... Oh, wait.. By that time you'll have to have such a tyrannical government, that the murderers are the least of our problems.
I know guns scare you because your ignorance, just like gays scare a lot of anti gay marriage ppl, but thats no reason to be a bigot. If you want less violence, why don't you get more vocal about ending the war on drugs... Or hell how bout ending this world police bullshit...
Post subject: Re: Congress May Take Action On Video Game Violence
Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:50 pm
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The government of the united states has one of the most lethal armed forces on earth designed to stop and crush international threats who are also lethal in their own right....So how does a pawn shop/store bought dumb down AR15 or pistol gonna prevent a tyrannical government?....
The constant use of this idea that the 2nd amendment is there in part (still today) to help deter a tyrannical government floors me... It's such a weak position to take that only a patriotic hillbilly can dream up... Its a lot more reasonable to stick to the poistion of personal protection..
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