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So I'm debating, and I would look up some awesome rogue spreadsheets but I'm at work and I can't. I got Greed the other day (purple fist weapon from (h)VH), should I get Grasscutter and go PVE combat spec? Or should I stay Mut PVE spec with 2 purple daggers? The downside to switching over is that I will use a lot of emblems of heroism and delay getting my purple chest piece. Is it more important to moderately up my DPS for naxx or get the chest?

What's your current gear status?

Well...I'm missing the epic pants from Gundrak, but the rest of my dungeon gear is all looted from running heroics. I think that's the only epic I'm missing from running the 5 mans.
here's my armory, I hope you can see the pve gear and not the pvp gear....not sure if it's updated or whatnot.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... as&n=Tisay

It depends on what you want to do. If you're going to stay PvE for a long time and it doesn't look like you'll PvP muti for a while, then get lawnmower, it's a beastly OH and will last you a long time. Although you'll want to drop that cloak for Naxx cloak, I'd just pray for the naxx chest. If you have an off set that I don't see and you want to run PvP muti, which it looks like you won't, then obviously don't switch, you can get the glad OH and drop your emblems on bonescythe when you have glad gear to boost dps.

Btw, Greed drops in VH? Thought VH dropped drood staff?

Greed drops in COS.

Yarr! my bad...we've run so many lately I can't remember where I get this stuff from.

I am dual spec right now pvp/pve mut. But my dps on pve isn't really what it should be. It's possible I'm doing something wrong, but I pull between 1600-2000 dps, usually 1600 overall, 2k on boss fights. Is that decent enough for naxx? Or should I switch to pvp mut/pve combat? I heard it would pull my dps up a bit. I will consistantly do both pvp and pve, and I probably won't change out of mut pvp spec until elitist jerks decides that's a wise move (lol). I wouldn't ditch my daggers, obviously.

You'll want 2k at the very least on Naxx, you can go a little less if your guild has another dps that can cover you, if you're pug then you'll want to get that up unless you like eating dirt or you get lucky. Definitely go PvE combat if you have the patience/extra cash on hand to give yourself a little push, but I think you should be fine if you replace that cloak though, just optimize your muti rotation i.e. work a little harder than rogues typically have to work on single target dps. You can also consider PvP combat if you want the OH immediately instead of waiting to rank up and getting a gladiator OH. PvP combat is viable in 3s, somewhat in 2s(your partner will have to carry, but you'll still win games, that's what I mean by somewhat viable) if you double dps trinkets, get a good partner, and somehow change into an undead character. PvP dags/PvE sword/fist would be the best atm, however if you're looking at long term, I'd skip greed/gcutter and just PvE/PvP muti and wait for a glad OH. Bonesycthe is sweet.

I figured as much, my guildmates pick on my dps a ton now. Jokingly of course (but our lock and DK easily pull 2.6-2.8k per run). Pugging in my server is hardcore, they want stats, dps meter, armory check, etc. I made friends with a kid in an end-game raiding guild and I'll probably get to tag along with them in naxx 10-25, but they probably won't let him keep that up if I suck hardcore on dps.


I have the marks, it will just take a bit longer to get my chest piece... Mutilate pve is so much to keep track of too - tricks the tank, bleed has to be up for hunger for blood, eviscerate refreshes slice, kicks and silences on trash mobs, energy costs, and if something messes up my rotation OH LORD! I heard combat pve is a little more face-roll...which would be nice considering this only like my 3 month playing the game and I still feel like an absolute noob.


lol I like the BE though...unfortunately, I am superficial like that in video games. My partner in twos is my husband and he's a freakin beast, disc preist, our third is my brother (prot/ret pally). Nerf to rogue/preist sucks, but so far I've only done fives with us, our DK and lock. Combat pvp is out...I mean, I have the titansteel and that other purple dagger, so it's not terribad, and they definitely carry my dps in 5's. I'm an excellent CC machine. I will eventually get the glad OH, but I'd like to get into Naxx first, so I can get better gear, so the pvp gear I don't have is offset by what I get in naxx.

OMG this game is complicated I think I'll grab the OH and go pve combat, and hopefully get some naxx booty. Thanks for the advice SM!

A rather large part of your dps is also your rotation, are you sure you're on key with that?

A friend of mine, rogue, dinged 80 2 days ago, crap gear, still does 2k dps easily.

Which is what leads me to suspect a rotation problem.

Out of curiosity, which spec is he? I usually open with garrote (for the bleed), turn on hunger for blood, slice, mut mut, eviscerate (refresh slice), mut mut mut (eviscerate). When it's up I pop cold blood, usually save that for boss fights if possible. After my opener on trash pulls I don't open another bleed, I just mut mut mut eviscerate (keep slice up the whole dungeon). Boss fights I open garrote, hunger for blood, get slice up, armor redux, refresh slice with eviscerate, mut mut mut eviscerate, refresh bleed, hunger if necessary, mut mut mut etc.

Check wowhead.com.
The forums have a nice compilation of what rotations/gear/spec offer the best DPS without going too much into math theory.

So I bought my OH, respecced Combat. Without poisons/buffs/etc I'm critting 2.5k+ on just sinister strike with no openers, bleeds, etc. Had to max out my unarmed and sword skills (1-400 on swords was a pain). I actually had to take the poisons off because I was killing the mobs (78) too fast on auto attack, which I was critting for 1.5-1.8ks. Didn't get a chance to do any dungeons, but based on what I was hitting the mobs for while training my skills up, the dps increased considerably. I'll report back once I get the numbers, but I'm expecting solid 2k overall, at least 2.5k on boss fights. HUGE difference between Mut and Combat, at least at this gear level with what I have. I heard Mut pve comes in handy again, but not until mid-late ulduar....

I think this might be pretty obvious already but if you're doing PvE, Combat is the spec.

Muti envenom dominated combat for a while, then muti got nerfed big time. Still can hold its own though. Combat isn't all powerful like it was in 70 cap when rogues would fall asleep with rupture/SnD on.

Yea..I had kind of gathered that it was, but without a chance to look at the spreadsheets I wasn't sure how big a difference it was going to make and if it was worth it to respec/buy the OH. Up until I got Greed there was no point in even looking into it because I was gifted a purple dagger and didn't have enough money to buy a nice sword/fist/mace weapon set. After checking last night though, muti seems to come in handy at end-game raiding once you have the t8 gear...depending on what drops I get once I get into it, I might go back.

And I switched out that god awful cape last night...lol